That'sthe practice in 2041. Q:那是2041年惯常的做法。(不太清楚,应该是记者开了个玩笑说现在不用担心这类事情) That's the practice in 2041. But yeah, Idon't know, I write in-continuity comics, and I love in continuity comics. Thisis just how we play that game; this is how we have fun. 对,那是2041年惯常的做法。但是我真的不清楚,我写连续性漫画,我喜欢有连续性的漫画。那就是我们如何玩这个游戏的,那就是我们如何从中享受乐趣的。
So,it's 2019 and it's comics, so you've been getting death threats from Wally Westfans and all the craziness that comes with a major change like this in themodern social media era. Q:所以,现在是2019年,漫画界,现代社交媒体时代,而你正在接收沃利粉丝投递的死亡威胁和所有因这样一个重大变化而带来的疯狂。 I don't think I got death threats fromWally West fans. I got a lot of hate from Wally West fans, which of course, Iunderstand that and that makes total sense to me. The death threats were frompeople whose minds were a little thicker than that. It wasn't sound, mainstreamfans sad about Wally West, it was people who were crazy that I think just weretaking it out on me at that moment. 我不认为是沃利粉丝给我发的死亡威胁。确实,沃利粉丝们恨我,我完全理解这一点。但是死亡威胁是来自于那些头脑更慢(他用的是thicker,应该不是厚,而是笨重、迟缓?)的群体的,这样说不太好听,主流粉丝们为沃利感到悲伤,我觉得是那些疯狂的人只是在拿我出出当时的气。
Realtime response to serialized, monthly storytelling is a strange animal, though.It's hard to imagine what Brad Meltzer would have gone through trying to tellIdentity Crisis with Twitter, but that is what you had said early on was a bookthat shared DNA with this one. Q:实时反馈对系列化的月度的故事确实是一种奇怪的存在。很难想象如果Brad Meltzer用推特讲述身份危机会发生什么,但是你刚才提到的书(HIC)和它(身份危机)享有相同的基因。 Yeah, I don't know. I wish I could say thatit's all hunky dory and I don't care. But I mean, I want to make everybodyhappy, I just don't do it. The failure's my fault, not yours. And if I couldwrite some legitimately fun story that everyone loved, I'd write it in twoseconds. But for me to write good, it has to be this weird, personal stuff, andthe weird, personal stuff tends to scratch at these heroes, and get them toplaces where some people don't want to see them go. That said, I face this time and again, thisis kind of what I do. I tear down heroes to their essential components andbuild them back up. I mean, to the first page in Mister Miracle, he's bleedingout, he's cut his own wrist. The first issue of Omega Man, Kyle Rainer gets hisneck chopped open, the first issue of The Vision has his daughter being stabbedthrough the heart, right? This is sort of what I do, but at the endof the day, hopefully people say "oh, he had some respect for that MisterMiracle, he wasn't just doing it to be mean, he was actually doing it toexploit his character and to elevate the character." Mister Miracle wentthrough hell, but now everybody knows who Mister Miracle is, right? Same withVision, I put him through hell. I had him almost turn into absolute evil, butit elevated that character a little bit, and now they're doing the TV showwhich, you know, had something to do with my stuff. So, hopefully people willsee at the end of the day, we're doing the same thing with Wally. Wally hasn't hada successful solo comic since, when? 2003? What I'm saying is, the idea behindthis is to elevate that character. Everyone is now talking about Wally.Everyone wants to see where Wally goes next. Everyone wants Wally to get theattention that that character deserves. He's my favorite Flash. He's my entryinto DC comics -- The Flash #53 by Messner-Loebs and Larocque was my first DCcomic. I love that character. I have a page above my desk of Wally from thatFlash run and I think this, at the end of the day, will shine a spotlight on mycharacter and put him at the center of the DC universe, in a place he hasn'tbeen for 15 years.
Whenthe Sanctuary story you first teased at DC in DC becomes Heroes in Crisis, thatword "Crisis" puts the biggest possible spotlight on it. Has thataffected the way that you've had approach the work? Because obviously withsomething like Mister Miracle, for all the attention it got, it was almostuniformly positive attention because the only people who cared were the peoplewho were enjoying it. Q:当你在第一个在DC梳理的避难所故事变成了HIC,可能是危机这两个字得到了最多的关注。这有影响到你处理工作的方式吗?很显然像是奇迹先生这种作品,得到的基本是正向的关注,因为在乎这部作品的人就是会享受这部作品的人。 Yeah, no. People really hate Heroes inCrisis. [Laughs] I feel like Heroes in Crisis and Batman andMister Miracle all sort of tell the same story, like my second theme. The firsttheme was about the Iraq War, the second theme in my career is about,"what do you do after trauma?" And the way I'm telling it in all threedifferent comics -- I think to write about trauma, sometimes it makes peoplefeel trauma. I know that sounds wrong but I don't know how to write about thattopic without sort of getting into the muck of it. 哈哈,不,人们真的很讨厌HIC (笑) 我感觉HIC ,蝙蝠侠和奇迹先生讲述的都是同一个故事,像是我的第二个主题。第一个主题是有关于伊拉克战争的,我职业的第二个主题是“经受创伤后你做了什么?” 这就是我讲述的方式,在这三部不同的漫画中——我想写一些关于创伤的事情,有时候这会让人们受伤。我知道这听起来不对,但是我不知道如何去写这个话题而不会陷入这个泥潭。
It'salmost kind of like on a macro level what Geoff did with Green Lantern,changing the idea of being fearless into the idea of overcoming that fear. Q:这有点像,在宏观层面上,Geoff对绿灯侠做的事情,把畏惧的想法转变为克服恐惧的想法。 Yeah. With Wally, this kid was like 14, 15,and then he got hit by lightning and then he had this incredible power, I meanthe greatest power in the universe. No offense to the Green Lantern ring, butthe Speed Force can be more than a ring can. So that's coursing through him forhis whole life, and then he develops that, he becomes a hero, he goes throughevolution, he finds himself the perfect happy ending. He walks away with hisfamily. And then he comes back and they're like "hey, you're hope, you'rerebirth, this is wonderful for you," and he's like "yeah, and where'smy family?" They're like "no, no, don't think about that. Just ignorethat, you're rebirth now, you're hope." I feel like it's that moment thatpeople come back from being overseas, and they get off and they're home and they'relike "oh, that's great, you're a soldier, thank you for your service,you're a hero now." And I'm like, "well you know, I kindof had some experiences..." "No, no, don't worry about thoseexperiences man, you're the ****ing hero, you're the best person alive now. You'rea symbol of America." And how am I going to live life as a symbol forAmerica when all I can feel inside is like I've lost something, you know?That's what I was trying to say with Wally. Hopefully the last issue willclarify some of that.